Dec10 Immaculate Non-Delusional Enlightenment
 

Today I have a guest post from James Smith. Recently he has been quite active in the comments on another post. His responses frequently featured smart rhetorics and great arguments. The post will be split up over two days as it is quite long, but well worth a read. If you like this, check his blog out.

Reading history, it is apparent that organized religion exists to make it easy for a small group of people to control a larger group.  Organized religion has been responsible for more human suffering, both physical and mental, and death than plagues, natural disasters, and wars. (many of which were about religion)

Consider that most religionists will not allow dissent or debate on their core issues.  If someone does dare disagree, they are invariably shouted down and condemned as “Godless Heathen”, “infidels”, “pagans”, shunned, or even killed.  Is this the command of a loving, protective god or the whim of an immature, vengeful deity?  “For I am a jealous god.”  “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”  But isn’t there only supposed to be one god?

When your position will not allow argument or debate, the problem is not with the debate but with the position.  If you cannot defend your beliefs with facts, you should examine your beliefs and not mindlessly spout what you have been told.  A basic truth in life is that “Beliefs, no matter how sincerely held, do not alter facts.”

Religion does not encourage free speech or thought.  People thinking for themselves and discussing their thinking would be the destruction of organized religion.  Obviously, this cannot be permitted so they have priests, shaman, and clerics to tell us what to think and believe.  To quote H. L. Menken, “I believe that no discovery of fact, however trivial, can be wholly useless to the race, and that no trumpeting of falsehood, however virtuous in intent, can be anything but vicious.”

Even so, people will ignore the most obvious of facts to cling to their illusions.  Think about all the people who still smoke in spite of the often-repeated facts that they are killing themselves and others.  What about drug users?  People still start on drugs even when they have seen horrible examples of famous, wealthy people destroying themselves and even dying from drug use.  Most people believe and do what they want no matter what facts and evidence against it may be.  This one human characteristic can account for the existence of organized religion more than any other.  There is also the human tendency to want to believe there is something that will enable them to overcome their condition without any real effort on their part.  “God will save us if we only pray hard enough.”

Think about this.  If you knew of someone that was aware of a great evil being performed and that person could stop it with no danger or real effort to himself, yet does nothing.  Would you consider him to be as bad as those performing the evil acts?  More than likely, you would.  Yet, that is exactly what all deities do: nothing in the face of great evil and suffering.  Still, we are supposed to consider them to be loving, protective gods.  In human behavior, we call this being “an accessory after the fact” and you can go to prison for it in many countries.

The Christian/Jewish/Islamic tradition is of an omnipotent father figure taking care of each of us.  There is no evidence of this at all.  They all say you must “have faith.”  Does that mean believing in something we know can’t be true?  Then they say they have the torah/bible/koran.  These all were written by men, usually decades or centuries after the time they portray and have been translated many times from many languages.  Are no errors ever made?  Most languages use idioms and allegories that change over time.  Totally understanding these in a language not one’s own and that may no longer be spoken is not possible.  To attempt it is to invite errors of major proportions.  A good example is the English phrase, “putting on the dog” meaning to ostentatiously overdo something.  It is not universally used, even in English.  As a phrase, it makes no sense at all.  A translator, believing it to be the word of God, might assume we are to wear live dogs as part of a religious ceremony.  Admittedly, that makes as much sense as wearing gold robes and miters to “Glorify God.”  Ask yourself, “Would an omnipotent deity need or even desire any glorification from us?”  If there were a god, it appears that rather than being an omniscient, protective being we are seeing a juvenile, vindictive, cruel despot.

 
Comments
  • Nancy
    When I was little, I remember kicking and screaming when my grandma dragged me into Catholic church. I always felt scared of it for some reason, but I didn't know why....Til this day I feel the same way, only no one can drag me into that place anymore! I do believe there is something indeed providing energy (as we do not run on batteries)...It may be that we are all accidental genetic mutations that adapted to our environment (just as the trees and fish). I really upset people when I tell them we evolved/branched-off from monkeys. But a question still lingers... I wonder why in all these thousands of years of evolution, we have JUST made technological advancements in the past 100 years??? Does anyone believe that we have recently been "helped" by Highly Evolved Beings from another planet? I'm not sure, but it is a really good question....we can't possibly be the only ones in the entire universe.
  • godlessblogger
    I often wonder how things would have changed it the Romans or Greeks
    had discovered electricity. Where would we be today? Information has
    seen a pretty much linear growth up until the advent of the computer.
    Since then we have seen an information explosion. Just look at the
    difference between say 2000 and today. One could analyze just the
    increase in processor performance, or look at phones. We have come
    from bricks to iPhones in a relatively short amount of time. I know we
    probably aren't the only ones in the Universe, and I hope I will live
    to see some form of extraterrestrial life. Isn't it kind of selfish to
    assume the whole of creation was just for this one planet?
  • Sam
    To add to the second to last paragraph:

    Many religious people argue that the reason God does not intervene in horrible acts is that he wants us to have free choice to do as we will. Then, they will turn around and say that natural disasters are God's way of punishing or warning us for sinful acts. The problem is, they don't discuss or respond to any of the suggestions that are simple enough for even us to come up with. For instance, why didn't God make it so that any time a human killed another, they would experience great physical pain. It would still leave the option of killing if someone felt it was really justified, but it would be a great discouragement. Another question I've asked a few times and never had answered is why God doesn't step in and stop the occurrence of Anti-Social and Psychopathic Personality Disorders. Those are medical conditions in which the person's free choice ability is interfered with by the lack of negative feedback for socially damaging actions. Those diseases greatly impede the sufferer's free will choices, because even though they are still able to choose, almost all of the negatives on one side of the equation have been taken away.

    For the natural disasters, I often have many questions. For instance, many people said Hurricane Katrina was punishment for the sinful nature of New Orleans. If that's the case, why hasn't Amsterdam been hit by any serious natural disasters? Why couldn't God have chosen a less violent way to warn the inhabitants of New Orleans that what they were doing was wrong? He plagued Egypt, and some of the plagues were scary but not highly damaging. Why couldn't he have repeated those in New Orleans? For that matter, if he's all for free will, why is he punishing people whose main sins are sexual in nature far worse than he punishes those who have murdered. Many serial killers who go uncaught for years are found living reasonable comfortable lives... and there are many that are never caught. Very few locations have death penalties anymore (good, in my opinion)... but why would he allow them to be caught or operate in a state that doesn't have the death penalty if his punishment for sex out of marriage or adultery is death?

    Most of the logic as to how God can be good and still allow so much suffering, both caused by humans and caused by our world, is quite broken. The only logical conclusion can be that he is not all-powerful, all-knowing AND all-good. Either he doesn't know about every bad deed and just smites the one he sees, he can't actually do much, or his morality is more like that of a human than anything else. At that point, the question becomes "even if he does exist, does it make sense to worship him". After all, he could not know that you haven't, not be able to send you to hell even if you haven't or not care and send you to hell based on a random decision system. And at that point I say that even if I had evidence of that deity's existence (which of course, we don't), I'd rather spend my time focusing on helping other people and doing good than trying to enforce arbitrary rules. And yes, I am perfectly capable of figuring out what's good and helpful to do without the Bible or the Ten Commandments. It's amazing what you can find out when you ask people what they actually need and want rather than trusting to a two thousand year old book.
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