It is clear that Believers own something what atheists do not have. It is beyond me why atheists keep reminding us about that? My religion is MY propperty. If atheists do not need our passion, so be it.
John M. Deroy, the netherlands.

Amazing. James, you are truely amazing and you are so preoccupied with trying to prove that God does not exist. I think that the day will come that you make that little step and find God. I think you are getting very close to that day. You know James, I count you in as one of us. Nothnig to be ashamed of or to be scared. The religion you may "collor in "yourself. Just pick one what suits your temperament. Every time you denounce God, you are getting a step closer. You are busy with God anyway..
Bless you James. Greetings from John

You are really amazingly stupid. I don't have to prove a damn thing. You theists are the ones making outrageously ignorant claims. The burden of proof is on you. But you have no proof and you personally are not intelligent enough to do anything but lie, evade, and make increasingly ridiculous statements, Like, "Every time you denounce God, you are getting a step closer."

If you even knew the first thing about your own absurd religion, you would know that "to deny god is to be forever denied the kingdom of heaven". But in your total ignorance of everything you continue to display your own comprehension deficit and total lack of anything resembling an intellect.

He, yellow-belly, when are you going to answer even ONE direct question? When are you coming to Brazil? I'll still buy that ticket for you.

Fuck you asshole. Your worst enemy ever.

To JasJ ... you ask me not to mock your beliefs.... how strange... I do have beliefs... you have none at all. And dont quote the Holy Bible or the koran, they are just manuals and can be full of printing mistakes. You get that sometimes whan a manual is translated over and over again. I was talking about God, which is an extention of (proven) reality. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I mock your feelings. Best wishes for 2010 from John M. Deroy, the netherlands.

Thank you for your reply. Its a pity that you have to mask your own stupidity with a foul mouth. I welcome the day you see the light and behave yourself as a human. Still, i hope the Christian background your dear parents tried to give you will come to blossom. In the meantime, we have to spell the facts of life out for you in simlpe english or dutch. James, again you rave on about my religion as being the root of all evil. it is very well possible that you are right. I get along with you that organized religion can be and has been very bad for mankind. Of course it has also been a great help and safe harbour for many. you will also agree with me that religion has had a long history in which it had to adapt itself with various customs, traditions and state of science. I do not actively belong to an organized religion/church and prefer to fill in my own beliefs. Look, james, without you frothing at the mouth of anger, for me there is a God. God is beyond where logic and proof ends. He/She cannot be measured or proven. That is why it is believing. If you or atheists do not want or dare to make that step beyond proof of the facts, is not my problem. Its sad that you try to justify your stand by demanding that believers give proof that there is a God. God is OUR belief. I advise you not to say that there is NOT a God. Just say that you have not seen a God or that you do not want to see a God and you are not looking for a God. Again, james God is in a dimentie that cannot be measured. Believing is also very natural. For as long as there have been humans, they have believed in a higher power. from the eskimos to the natives in your brasilian jungle. Of course religions/beliefs have been developed localy. The acient natives of Iceland would be impressed by the powers of the oceans, while ancient natives of the sahara desert would not have much to do with the oceans.Still what sets us apart from beasts is that we can fill in our beliefs in an higher Order and animals cannot. So, james if you think mankind has come such a long way, considder that this has happened also thanks to religion(s) Do you really think that my life would be better if I give up my beliefs? Why should I? To put it simple... I have something to loose, while you have something to gain. You dont have to...if you dont want to make that extra step. You dont even have to join an organised religion. But to belief in a highr Order cannot harm you. You dont even have to tell your atheist friends... It might even give you a bit insurance... Just in case there is a God. James, just try to answer in normal manner. kindest regards from John in the netherlands.

Advice from someone that believes in an imaginary god is worthless. Advice from someone that claims his English is good, but doesn't understand about Paragraphs, even though they are used very effectively in Dutch, is also suspect.

You're right about god cannot be measured. We cannot measure anything that does not exist.

What sets us apart for animals is our ability to reason and act logically upon observed facts. When you discard that ability for belief in a god that cannot be shown to exist in the smallest way, you lower yourself to the level of an unthinking animal.

Then, at the end of this, you return to Pascal's wager. even you should have noted how many times that has been demolished here and elsewhere.

So I'll do that for you one more time. If the god in which you believe is really omnipotent and omniscient, wouldn't he know that someone was just pretending to believe "just in case"? Wouldn't this god also know if someone was not a believer but a good person who helped people and treated others fairly and honestly? If that good was one who could not see these things and would condemn someone to hell even though they were a better person than a "true believer", then that god is no god at all and he can kiss my ass. (OK I put that in just to irritate you) LOL

Yes, your life would be better if you faced reality and used the resources you waste in religion to actually help your fellow man.For sure, I know mine is.

That's pretty badass. Especially considering the severity of this statement. Almost 99% of americans over the age of 15 are not virgins. We're all fukked. Also, I would like to point out, the most heinous crime committed (Says the bible, and is the only unforgivable sin) is to ponder the existence of god. Once again, 99% of americans question this weekly.

James, I was reading your msgs to me again and came to the conclusion that you indeed are a believer. You even said that there was a hell and acording to your msg I was in it. We are getting somewhere james. Further you accuse me of not having any moral, intelectual and pyisical fibre. You left the spiritual fibre out.!!!!

I also noted that unless one agrees with you, you become quite a violent chap. No doubt you lear that from all the Nasi butchers who found a safe HEAVEN in south America after WWII. Never mind James, from time to time the Israeli Siecherheitsdienst come and pick one of your mates up to stand trial in the Holy Land.

Greetings from a snow covered Holland... John

Wow, every time I think you have demonstrated the ultimate in your stupidity, you show me that I was wrong. You show me that you can be far more stupid than I thought.

I am a believer? You ignorant monkey. When I aid there was a hell, I was speaking metaphorically, But I guess that was too complicated for the shattered remains of your brain.

Spiritual fiber? You have none at all. You believe in an impossible deity and waste your resources worshipping it. If you had any spirituality, you would instead focus on doing good things for yourself and thus, for your fellow humans. Instead, you try to drag them into the cesspool of ignorance, intolerance, and hate that is your religion.

I am violent? You have no idea of real violence. I find that a bit strange as yours is one of the most violent religions of all time. Your bible has your god killing millions, including 99.99% of the human race. Your religion also encourages its followers to acts of horrible violence, like stoning people to death. Although in this modern age, you seem to prefer shotguns and pipe bombs.

As usual, you have your ideas confused. You are probably thinking of Argentina where some Nazis or at least some Germans fled after WWII. Here in Brazil, we have one small town that was founded by German civilians fleeing the economic disaster that was Germany after WWII. There is no evidence at all that any were actually Nazis. Because the town was founded by a German before WWII, it is likely many of them were fleeing the Nazis. But you're a christian idiot, so facts have no relevance in your life, do they?

If these Israelis thought there were any Nazis here, they would have come for them long ago. Their names and locations have been well known since 1939. But then, the Israelis are not as stupid as you are.

James, I just called around here in Holland to ask the local priest what the roman catholic church would give for your soul. They reckon they are overbooked with micks in Brasil, so I called the local rabbi. he was interested, because they are experimenting with cutting dicks ... they want to take everything off by your neck. Even the local muslim mob did not see anything in you. They have plans to infiltrate the eskimo's at the northpole for a suicide mission. Just too late James, they wanted to add to the new year celebrations to set you off as firework.! The local atheist gang here in holland also was not interested. Your dutch was not good enough and you are not pure atheist, so they told me. They are a bunch of purists. Like Adolf, you got to be of real pure blood and your parents are Protestant, so that counts you out. The local atheists wants you to wear a badge, not a star, but a cross, because of your herritage. How about that James. Do you still follow me? So you see my friend, my personal demon, my personal spook, we think of you and want to help you. But we have got plenty of time to find a good place for you... an eternity of time.... kindest new years wishes from John, shalom, zalig nieuw jaar....

THis post is so incredibly stupid that it doesn't even rate a "fuck you, asshole:. You talk about hate and violence. No wonder, you obviously know a lot more about it and love it. Whenever you're ready shithead.

Praise the Lord.... our James has ben asigned to be my personal demon.... wow, I once stirred up the Roman Catholic Archbishop of brisbane Australia and he even wrote me that every night he will pray for me, like he does for all lapst catholics. So, dear james, you see I am a bit of a heavyweight. maybe too big for you to chew... Still, I am glad thet you remember me. Its just unfortunate for you that you cease to exist to your death. Then its all over for you. But i shall do a good word for you.... John m. Deroy.
Oh, yes, you lived in Utrecht. Nice place to pass through.

Even if I ofefr you a trip to the netherlands, they would not let na person like you in the country. May you have a blessed New Year. John M. Deroy. Gosh, james, I had forgotten about you....

So just make the offer of a trip. See how fast I accept. But I am not a coward like you/

You ignorant moron. You've already forgotten that I lived in Utrecht.

No, you had not forgotten about me, you just hoped I wouldn't be on here to embarrass you further. No such luck. You are in hell and have to live with it until you die. I am your personal demon assigned to poke you with the pitchfork of reality. LMAO!

What???

james, I forgot to mention that you are without any fantasy what-so-ever. Did you really think that I would expect that grid over the globe. Of course not you idiot. It was just a figure of speech. It was to show you about nessecery things which cannot be shown. Things, just a bit further that your cold facts. Things which are there without you seeing it. You stupid twit... try to see further than your mind. Even if it is a rotten, stinking mind like yours. John M. Deroy.. johnmarion@home.nl

You are too stupid to see facts and too cowardly to admit others to show them to you. If you were not such a simple idiot, you'd counter my offer of a trip to Brazil and offer me one to Holland. Put your money where your mouth is coward.

James, you are not worth a cunt full of cold water. You want to have proof that God exists... look out of your window, you stupid dickhead... there are millions of believers around you. There are churches, places where people pray. You get off you lazy arse and ask the first Brazillian you meet and they will tell you there is a God. You worthless shithead, go to Mecca and tell them over there that there is no God or that Allah and Mohamed are just fantasies. They will cut your throad. Sure, you might say that that is no proof, but you are dead by then. Earthly life is all what counts for you and I dont think you want to risk that. If you really think that I get a kick out of your insults..... get lost. james I not only fart in your general direction, I even sprinkle Holy Water to you. Misschien moet ik wel in het nederlands gaan schrijven. Jij tiefus klootzak.... so, now you have your proof. Dont forget that I lower my standards to write to you. Shithead, you confuse organized religion with God. Does not work. God is IN the indevidual and not in a church. Now, its up to you to invite God in you and I think He likes that better than be displayed and ridiculed in a church. Chruches, my friend are just buildings where one can have a quiet conversation with God. I dont want you to believe this, just to accept it. At any rate, james, I dont give a toss about you. As for a trip to Brazil? Why? I have been to nicer places. On top of that, its full of Catholics. Millions upon millions.... My straight answer is... just think and look a tiny bit further and proof of God will come to you. But I bet you get stuck here.... time for antoher insult. time to quote shit..!!!!!

I knew you would run from answering any question with anything that makes an iota of sense. INstead, you come back with your usual ignorant twaddle.

Yes, you are right, most deists will react with violence. Unfortunately for thsm, I am better prepared to deal with that than most. Anyone that attempts violence with me has always ebded up either dead or so damaged that they are never the same again.

I have my proof? You lying bastard. You have never provided any proof of anything.

Fuck you asshole, and fuck your god, too. You are the most stupid Dutch person I have ever met. If you were not such an idiot and a coward morally, intellectually, and physically. you'd accept my invitation of a free trip to Brazil.

But, you are not of enough character, morally or mentally to do anything that might put your beliefs or your skin at risk. I hope there is a hell so you can rot in it for eternity. Come to think of it, you already are in hell. You've made your own and have been wasting your life wallowing in stupidity and useless religion.

You have never been to Brazil and obviously know as much about it as you know about thinking, logic and facts. Absolutely nothing. 'You are advising me to think? What a laugh. That's like a shark advising a tiger to become a vegetarian.

Come on down asshole, and get educated. For once in your life, commit an act of courage, mentally and physically.

Before I come across your name and writings it says on my screen.... let's quote shit. Is this a coincidence?? James, my pal, you are so full of swearing, fouls language and hate to me and people who are out of your circle of 666 loonies that I forgot your "straight" question. My boy, just ask me again.
John Deroy, netherlands

Of course you "forgot" my straight questions. You don't want to remember for two reasons. You're too stupid to remember anything and if you can't remember, you don't have to answer.

OK, here we go again! What proof can you present that there is any god? What proof do you have of jesus? What proof do you have that you are not a lying POS?

I am not your pal and never will be, you obnoxious asshole. I am your worst enemy. Here's another straight question. Are you going to accept my offer of a free ticket to Brazil? All that takes is a simple "yes" or "no". Even a moron like you should be able to handle that.

Another thing you conveniently "forgot". I use the language I do because I know it irritates you. Just as you say the inane stuff you do to irritate me and everyone else with two functioning brain cells.

Hey, you with the "good English". It's "foul" not "fouls" language. Most Dutch people I have met have better English than you. Most have far better manners, too. You're a disgrace to Dei Nederland.

Like most deists, you mistake atheism for devil worship, hence your uninformed "666" remark. Don't you ever get tired of looking like the most stupid fuckhead on earth?

Now, I've asked you again, for the nth time. So either answer or confirm my contention (with ample proof) that you are a moral and intellectual coward. What does it take to run you out of your mental corner?

It does not matter what I say or do, you will notn accept anything. But I try again. I have gone your atheist way before. I also wanted everything to be proved. Cold facts... This even got me into troubles with my geography teacher. He told me that there are a grid of lines over the world. this was for navigation. Well, on my travels through europe, asia, africa Australia and the south Pacific, I have not seen any evidence of this grid. Does this mean the teacher is a fuckwit and an idiot? Of course not.
Well then, belief is just a shade further than what you atheists can prove. Where you stop, belief begins and its not my fault that you do not want to go further than your facts. To make matters worse, you throw all the shortcommings and (for you) strange customs of all religions on one heap and you draw conclusions from that. Come to think of it, you should not even be allowed to talk about God because you are not prepared to go that little further than your cold facts. Maybe you boys and girls are too scared to go that bit further. Just considder this... if you atheists are right, nobody shall know... if I am right... you are in deeeeeeep shit.

John M. Deroy, netherlands.

Then by your logic, to stretch the meaning of that word, you should not be permitted to discuss atheism or anything else for that matter. You have no facts, no chain of evidence, nothing. So if you stand by what you just said, you will shut up, go away and never darken our lives again with your worthless prattle.

The grid of lines to which you refer, were you actually so stupid as to think this was anything but an agreed-upon method of artificially assisting the science of navigation? Come to think of it, based on your other absurdities on here, you probably did.

Are you EVER going to reply to any direct question or offer anything even mildly resembling proof of your ignorant rantings? We didn't think so. LMAO!

One last point -you keep talking about atheists having to 'prove' something. That's illogical. You can't prove a negative claim. You have the burden of proof -you are the one claiming there IS a good. If I said there is not a purple unicorn in my room, you couldn't prove that.

But if I said there was a purple unicorn in my room, the burden of proving that claim is on me, not the person saying there is not a purple unicorn on my room.

I'm sure you don't see the logic inherent in that situation, but that's your problem, not mine.