Aug24 Converting An Atheist Is Useless
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To a Christian, getting a new follower is probably great news. Getting an atheist to convert is probably an even larger victory. The problem is an atheist has committed the only unforgiveable sin. I am not talking about the whole we are all born atheists arguement either. What I am trying to say that as soon as anybody is competent enough to declare themselves an atheist, they are denying the existence of the Holy Spirit. Here are some direct quotes from the Bible:

Luke 12:8-10: “I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”

Mark 3:28-30: “Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin.

Matthew 12:30-32:…But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Really anything else can be forgiven in some form. Once you have denied the Holy Spirit though, you are fucked. Game over. You are 100% for a fact going to Hell. Of course this means absolutely nothing to me since the concept of Hell doesn’t scare me. Even if you have “saved” an atheist and converted them to Christianity, aren’t they still damned? It seems to me once anybody declares themself an atheist they deny God’s existence. It’s a waste of time, because once somebody has commited the “eternal sin” there is no going back. This doesn’t worry me at all. Part of my disbelief in God, and the Holy Spirit is an equal belief in that there is no Heaven or Hell.

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  • Just Some Guy
    Hah, amusing proposition! I may try this in my next debate when it takes the mindlessly emotional route.

    One angle I thought you might take was that as Atheists are driven by logic to their conclusions, if you could convince one to "convert" it would have been on the basis of logical debate. But that also means they could still be convinced to alter their conclusion by new evidence. So unlike the permanent devotees that a theist typically expects, they'd have someone who would only be "Christian for now."
  • Albert
    test comment #giannii
  • JenniferJuniper
    Huh... never thought of that! Awesome! That's a great argument for anyone trying to convert me! :-) Cheers!
  • In order for your claims about 'god" and such to be considered true, you must first prove the "bible" is not the work of fiction which history & archaeology has deemed it to be. Then, you must prove the deity it describes is real.

    Best of luck with that.
  • I think this one is absolved by several different sects of Christianity by changing their doctrine to allow nonbelivers to be taken back into their fold (via promises of not being damned after all.) It makes sense in some ways that this sort of doctrinal change would follow, it gives them a leg up on inviting more congregation over those communities that are too xenophobic.

    The holy books of these religions aren't inerrant literal messages; they're simply vehicles through which they interpret their own dogmas atop what appears to literally written.
  • Name
    Maybe a 'proper' blasphemer has to actually believe in the existence of the god they're blaspheming...
  • exquisitetruth
    Yes, I believe there is a loophole here. In order to blaspheme, you have to actually believe in the Holy Ghost. Therefore, our denials are not technically blasphemy, and we, therefore, are still eligable for salvation! I'll have to remember this on my deathbed. ;)
  • I wonder if those so-called "former atheists" like Kirk Cameron or Alister McGrath would admit to having once "denied the Holy Spirit?" If I ever have the opportunity to talk to either, I think I'll ask. I'm sure their canned response will be something like, "no, of course not. Somewhere deep inside I think I always knew the Holy Spirit was there to guide me."

    No shit. Then you weren't really an atheist then, eh?
  • godlessblogger
    That's a great point. And even if they do admit they did at one point deny it, feel free to bring up these verses. Of course they could also have been, "questioning" or "wavering" in their faith. But they found God again so all is well!
  • I don't see Hell as eternal punishment, and I think the Quarran will support my beliefs in this scenario. Hell, in my eyes, is more like a correctional facility where you can move more towards Heaven as you learn your lesson(s), because Allah is forgiving, 1. 2, I can't see God making a life just to torture it for eternity, because it doesn't seem like a truly just God would want to. 3, I believe in these scriptures in that those that renegade against Allah will be cast into the fire for purification, but will be allowed to freely roam in Heaven once their punishment is fulfilled. I have been blasphemous against God, but truly I have repented, and I have faith my father will accept me into Heaven if there's such a place.
  • Rick Sparks
    (yawn)

    Fictional characters do not impress me.
  • likewise to your assumption of the characters being fiction.
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